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Ep. 2 - Podcast Notes

A Conversation with Todd Smith

Todd Smith
Todd Smith, formerly the President and Chief Marketing Officer (CMO) of SONIC Drive-in, currently lives in Salt Lake City, Utah with his wife and five kids. Todd is the Chief Creative Officer (CCO) of Cafe Rio and franchisee of 4 CoreLife Eateries across the Salt Lake Valley. Todd has over 13 years of restaurant experience, with executive experience at Yum! Brands, Wendy’s and Sonic Drive-in. Todd graduated from BYU and got his masters from Northwestern.

In this episode, Todd and I look back on our time at SONIC Drive-In, where Todd led the digital innovation vision as CMO and later President of SONIC. The focus in the first portion of the conversation is how as an executive Todd began the process of preparing room for digital innovation and then the conversation moves to when I joined the team and the work began in earnest to change, from the inside out, a legacy brand with digital aspirations. Pulling out lessons learned in the process of taking a Quick Service Restaurant (QSR) from little to no digital footprint to an industry leader in digital experience with an omni-channel personalized order ahead experience (web, mobile, kiosks) across 80,000 POPS kiosks in 3,600 stores throughout the US.

I spent some time picking Todd's brain on how he thought about and tackled the politics of change from an executive point-of-view, looking to demystify the tactics and conversations happening behind closed doors with top executives. Todd speaks with candor and humility in the obstacles and successes he found in digital transformation of a $4B publicly traded company.

Inspire Acquisition
Brought up by Sam midway through the episode, Paul Brown of Inspire brands has talked a lot about why they chose to purchase SONIC and it has been cited a few times the technology innovation and digital customer experience as a big reason SONIC was a desirable purchase. Many of these conversations were made in all employee meetings, but a few were cited in article like this one.

More on the acquisition
More on Order Ahead

A full length demo of the omni-channel Order Ahead experience at SONIC Drive-In

Patience and Drive
Todd brings this up as a lesson he applied while at SONIC and now in his new endeavors. Whether in corporate life or startup life, two virtues or characteristics that Todd most values are Patience and Drive.

When held in tandem they can be a devastating tool versus any obstacle in your way. If your patient you will not get frustrated when the going gets slow, and if you've a bit of drive, you can feel through the stagnant moments and find room to accelerate when the timing is right. I loved this perspective from Todd, as I saw him do this so many times, but he had never quite described the motivation behind his leadership rhythm -- this puts words to the action I witnessed.

Don't let your title fool you...
Near the end of the conversation, Todd drops a whole jam-packed taco of wisdom on us, he says:

"Don't confuse your title with who you are."

"Some leaders become so self-important, that they forget how to do."

This coming from a guy who had a seven-figure salary (public company filings) and all the reason in the world to not have to "DO" anything. As I continue my career, it is a breathe of fresh air to hear Todd's view on this, as people who forget how things are done become out of touch with the day-to-day struggle of work and by default the workers. When this happens empathy for the workforce is diluted and decisions are more self-centered than altruistic [my words, not Todd's].

Find Todd Smith
You can't find Todd on social media, but he does have a cameo in this Camaro rebuild by Fast 'n Loud.

Fast 'n Loud - Super Sonic Camaro, pt 1 - Watch on Youtube
Fast 'n Loud - Super Sonic Camaro, pt 2 - Watch on Youtube

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Ep. 1 - Podcast Notes

A Conversation with Ben Nockels

First, Make the Beast Beautiful by Sarah Wilson
Referenced by Sam when talking about anxious monkeys... Sarah explains this research much better in her beautiful book on anxiety and personality.

You can find this book at Commonplace Books in OKC and Commonplace Books FTW or at your local bookstore.

Quote by Seymour Krim
Sam quoted this in conversation with Ben about finding your profession, vocation and place in this world.

"It is still your work or the role that finally gives you your definition in our society, and the thousands upon thousands of people who I believe are like me are those who have never found the professional skin to fit the riot in their souls." - Seymour Krim

You can find this in his essay, "For My Brothers and Sisters in the Failure Business", found in a compilation of essays bound in the book, "What's this Cat's Story".

You can request this book at Commonplace Books in OKC and Commonplace Books FTW or at your local bookstore.

Commonplace Brand
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Market at Commonplace: Website

Commonplace Book Store from Jacob on Vimeo.

Bike Lanes
Brought up by Sam midway through the episode, we finally got to it at the end of the podcast. This is an important project for OKC and the safety of our runners, cyclists, and walkers. It's more than just a bike lane it is peace of mind and an avenue for traffic other than cars to navigate this city. Please get involved if you or someone you know ride bikes.

More information: Every Street a Safe Street

Find Ben Nockels
You can find Ben on Instagram or #IRL at Commonplace Books in OKC where he can be found on most days ready to give book recommendations with his trusty sidekick Boaz the shop dog.

Finally, a fantastic short from Scissortail Media documenting the Full Circle bookstore story This is not a Bookstore.

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Intro - Podcast Notes

An introduction to BEGIN the Podcast

Yes, I seriously did record this three times... I'm a writer, not a talker.
The best place to find my writings in an organized fashion is on Medium, I mainly publish essays or prose covering: digital innovation, creativity, culture, and theology.

Sam DuRegger: Website | Bio | Blog | Quotes

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Screaming Pods Network by Sean DuRegger
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